Pre-order of DmC is on amazon.com

[Apollo]

Darksiders 2 was originally down for late June but its been moved to August 21st. I could of sworn I'd seen it for late May.. but ho hum.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Dar...own-41748.html

Getting in ahead of the big hitters. Hope it sells more than 1.3 million.

[Vampi]

You did ask me what I'd do in-terms of a release date. I never said it would give an ideal amount of time to finish the game off. At the end of the day it all comes down to whether Capcom want it out this year or not. If they do it is better to do it sooner rather than later. Because, even if it is of high quality and polished to the max. Releasing it anywhere near games which have sold more on their first day of sales than almost any Devil May Cry game has sold in total is suicide.

I guess i should've clarified myself more. In that i wanted you to come up with a release day considering the potential problems from these other games that might affect DmC.

I don't think Capcom should rush the product just because a few popular titles are releasing soon. DmC is an ambitious product for them, and to just throw it all the way like that is just careless and stupid.

I rather have a polished game then a shoddy one. Patience is a virtue and i'm sure there are other games that can occupy everyone's time until Capcom/NT feel that its up to snuff.

[Apollo]

I guess i should've clarified myself more. In that i wanted you to come up with a release day considering the potential problems from these other games that might affect DmC.

I don't think Capcom should rush the product just because a few popular titles are releasing soon. DmC is an ambitious product for them, and to just throw it all the way like that is just careless and stupid.

I rather have a polished game then a shoddy one. Patience is a virtue and i'm sure there are other games that can occupy everyone's time until Capcom/NT feel that its up to snuff.

All I'm saying is if the game couldn't be finished and on the shelves by the end of August - first week in September at the latest then I wouldn't release it this year. That is, if a 2013 release is infact a viable option.

Nobody wants a rushed game but it has to be considered that there maybe some factors involved which dictate that a 2013 release may not be a viable option. One example would be delaying the game by 3 to 4 months could run the game too far over its budget. Leaving the position of, do I release amongst all those big hitters and hope for the best or do I slash a month or two off of development time and give the title a much better chance in-terms of sales.


The problem is nobody outside of Capcom and Nt know how far through the development process Dmc is. So, even a general idea of an actual release date is tricky to estimate.

[Shatterstar]

The fanbase isn't the issue here (btw, DMC's fanbase likes DMC not DmC. Since DmC is an unknown at this point). So far Darksiders 2 has been getting tons of hype and also we know more about the game then we do about DmC. So releasing it in the summer of this year is a death sentence. Capcom would want this game to fail if they release it in that season. Also, Lollipop Chainsaw and Anarchy Reigns release in June and July. But its mostly Darksiders 2 that's getting the most hype.

Lollipop Chainsaw and Anarchy Reigns are both new IP's and they're going up against an established franchise. I think DmC will do ok.

Anarchy Reign is a free for all online beat 'em up that's been delayed for over to years now. I think it's safe to say that AR has reached Vanqish status now.

As for Lollipop Chainsaw. Grasshopper Manufacture always create weird and very interesting games but sadly, people don't buy them much. I feel that Lollipop Chainsaw will follow in the same footsteps as all the others.

Those two games aren't even on the same level as Darksiders and DMC. It's only competition for August is Darksiders and I feel that DmC will do well against it.

[A203D]

In terms of releasing an unfinished game. i think in some cases it actully a good thing.

before i mention why. i will say that Tameen has said all the missions are planned out, and he has confirmed a 2012 release. this means to me they are on schedule. they're not rushing it. as we know it they have all the mo-cap done and to the best of our knowledge fully rendered. they do all the voice work as they mo-cap, so thats also done. i think now they are tweaking all the combat and things like platforming.

my point is i dont think they are rushing it by releasing it in say August, which is specualtion at this point.

when i say releasing an unfinished game, i'm thinking specifically about AC2. where the team ran out of time to complete the game, so they released 2 additional DLCs post release that came from content that was cut during development.

normally when you hear that you think they were wrong to do that to fans. but i disagree with that. AC2 was like a 25-30 hour game. 400 people worked on it during development. on that basis i dont mind spending a bit of money for DLC because i could see the team worked hard.

in the case of AC2, that DLC wasnt very good, lol. but for DmC (i'm sure the game will be great) i'll be happy to get DLC a few months later.

the other thing is, if you just release a game and dont have and post game content, the game gets lost is a storm of new releases. if you keep updating the game with DLC you can maintain its popularity and continuously generate new fans. Game of the year editions, or complete editions are also very good incentives for fans who didnt pick up the original copy of the game.

and this is Capcom, so i think we're guarnteed DLC. my point is i dont mind if theres extra missions they choose to release as DLC. you could spend 50+ on a DMC game, on subsequent difficulties and Bloody Palace, and S ranks. so i think its acceptable for this type of game to have DLC.

in the case of them not finishing the game on time, where missions have to be cut. for something i expect to be a 40+ hour game, i dont mind them releasing cut content as DLC.

i think they are planning to release post game content, but i dont think this content is being cut from the existing game.

[Vampi]

The only time i really like DLC is when its used as an expansion. I wouldn't be surprised if, considering if Vergil is indeed in the game, that they would make DLC based on Vergil and such. Even tho, i and alot of others would've prefered him in the main game. But since the main game is all about Dante its fine if Vergil's missions are played out in DLC.

I just don't think they should rush it. Cause even now, with the demo being shown, there still needs some work done and NT/Capcom's knows it with there Work In Progress disclaimer in practically every video they've shown.

[Apollo]

I don't want them to rush it either. I'm just saying its not always that simple.

What baffles me is if Capcom are dead set on getting this game out in 2012 then why hasn't there been an official release date as of yet. When stores are already featuring pre-orders for a lot of games coming out in Nov.

Black Op's 2 has been aired roughly a week a go and it already has more day 1 pre-orders than Mw3. This q4 is going to be a bloodbath.

[Vampi]

The reason is marketing. Activision knows how to market CoD to the masses. DmC has barely done that, and even to the hardcore who no less are still fixed on knowing everything about it and bashing it, the game is still a mystery. Thus why with CoD everyone knows what they're going to get and is highly anticipated. With DmC, its just waiting for info to see what else they came up with. But that's not a reason alone to start pre-ordering so quickly.

[Apollo]

The reason is marketing. Activision knows how to market CoD to the masses.

Thus why with CoD everyone knows what they're going to get and is highly anticipated.

DmC has barely done that, and even to the hardcore who no less are still fixed on knowing everything about it and bashing it, the game is still a mystery. With DmC, its just waiting for info to see what else they came up with. But that's not a reason alone to start pre-ordering so quickly.

Knowing how to market a product based on its brand strength and familiarity is exactly my point because it's not only Black Ops that is already available for pre-order. But, nearly every game that is being released from Sept onwards is already up on the shelves.

Apart from Black Ops the vast majority of other games do have a decent amount of brand strength on their side. The brand strength obviously varies dependant on the game but it also comes from having more than one title released on current machines.

Dmc 4's brand strength came from last generation. This Dmc isn't in that position because a lot of people will only have Dmc 4 work off of. And, Dmc 4 isn't exactly the best dmc game to be considering another Dmc purchase from. It's a similiar position as Silent Hill Downpour was in after Silent Hill Homecoming. However, when looking at it from the 'only played one dmc game' perspective this dmc is so different it literally places itself into the new Ip bracket anyway. Even a lot of those who are familiar with the franchise are still wondering whether this Dmc is actually more new Ip than reboot.

I agree there isn't enough known to warrant a pre-order as of yet, although, any early pre-orders it gets will give some reference as to how much this game needs marketing. But it isn't so much about the 'pre order' factor. Simply having it outthere on shelves allows the general public and casual gamers to at least be aware of it. Knowing a game cannot directly compete with the brand strength of games like Black Ops is the reason why so many other franchises are getting in early. As it gives these games a much better chance at picking up sales which they may not otherwise.


With lots of established franchises already doing this now and this Dmc in the position in its in. It should be telling Capcoms marketing division to get their finger out and get a move on. If this Dmc is in fact on for q4 2012 release then it needs to be in the general public's eye asap to give it the best possible chance.

[A203D]

The thing is COD is not really a good example. COD is going to sell 20+ million copies every year with or without marketing. for reference MW3 alone has sold double the amount of copies of the entire DMC games combined.

i think pre-order wise, for obvious reasons i think they havent announced the release date yet. i think they are waiting until E3 now which isnt that far away where they will have some type interesting event to launch the game with Hideaki Itsuno etc.

DMC4 sold about 2.5 mil copies. so we can asssume the game will optimistically sell about this many copies. i think it has the potential for more if they prepare a Wii U release. i think thats what they could be waiting for E3 to announce. its only a month to go until E3. if the game is coming this year, which is it, they will have to announce the date there.